I think that he succeeded in the execution of the argument. He pulled very vulgar and disturbing lyrics from songs. He also told the audience about P. Diddy's crimes when he was a rapper. He also related everything to the youth of today's society.
I don't think the author was successful. I mean he gave reasoning but he gave the same reasoning on. Like the examples support it but he needs different reasoning or else it will just drag on like it did. Even some white people and. People from other races listens to hip hop. He should have gave another point of view.
I agree with dawnyae that he should of given more reasoning. All types of races listen to hip hop so he needs to have more reasons behind his argument. But he still did a good job with his argument because the reasons he gave were very strong!
I believe that the author's argument was successful. He uses ethos, pathos, and logos to demonstrate how violence, misogyny, and lawlessness are nothing to sing about. He starts out by saying that Malcolm X first influenced blacks and some white liberals in the 1960s making them believe that black crime and violence was perfectly natural and just a way of life. He also says that "the hip-hop ethos can trace its genealogy to the emergence in that decade of a black ideology that equated black strength and authentic black identity with a militantly adversarial stands toward the American society.” This is only effective in his argument because he is talking specifically about blacks. These two quotes are how his argument was successful. The author's argument was also not successful. His argument could have been equally effective had the title been "How Hip Hop Holds Whites Back." The author specifically states, "whites buy more hip-hop recordings than blacks do" and "the rise of nihilistic rap has mirrored the breakdown of community norms among inner-city youth over the last couple of decades.” Saying that "inner city youth" just refers to blacks would be a stereotype considering that there are whites who live in the inner city boundaries. To conclude this, here is a quote that I heard this summer that I think has to do with this subject. Mr. Smith once told me that "music has an affect on us (humans, all races/colors) like nothing else does. You don't just sit down and try to memorize a song. After hearing it over and over again it becomes embedded into your head. Whatever you listen to reflects your lifestyle and what is in your heart."
I agree with you Jared, I do believe that music influences the actions of people and I believe that the author argued his point successfully. he used very affective lyrics from the songs to help support his argument like "Thugs, pimps and pushers, and the big money makers." lines like these are giving an ok to doing things that in society shouldn't be aloud.
The argument being made by the author that rap music has bad influences on people was in my opinion successful. He used how the hip hop music has changed into rap and how the rap music has lyrics allowing things that aren't supposed to be morally right to be perceived as acceptable. The influence of the rap music is portrayed through the actions of the people that listen to it showing just how strong the music is. The author shows how the people disrespect the higher authority because the music they listen to says its ok.
I agree. The author explained how rap music was expressing things that in all honesty shouldn't be allowed at all. (Although in a way I felt like he was hating on a certain race from the way that he expressed himself)The author showed how music can change people, in my opinion I think music can change you. People can judge you by just listening to the music you listen too.
I believe the author was not successful. Yes, the author states reason and explains his reasons. But is it really the teens fault? Yeah, some people would say yes, but I believe it's the parents, kids do make their own decisions, but if parents actually took a second and listened to the music their children was listening too, kids wouldn't act out and take the music so literally. The parents could stop the bad. choice of music their teens listen too
I think it could go both ways. The author used good examples to support his opinion. But, not everyone is going to agree or understand exactly what he is saying. Some of the points me makes aren't as good as they could be. Some of his statements are offensive.
I actually don't think he did a good job because even though this whole thing was suppose to be about how hip hop gave blacks a bad name what he forgets to mention is that its not just black people listening to hip hop because now a days every race listens to it. and I mean he gave a lot of examples as to why he feels the way he does there just pretty much the same examples and it just drags the story on for way too long
It could go both ways. He uses ethos, pathos, and logos to explain his opinion but others might not agree. He uses lots of ethos, pathos, and logos examples which makes the article great. But at the same time, he doesn't make all points a clear as they needed to be. Is it the teens fault he's a bad kid because he listens to that music? That's my reasons for why I think it could go either way.
I believe the author was successful in his argument. Not only did the author bring up several points of quotes from songs but he also showed how hip hop transformed throughout the years. Yes throughout the article the author left small points for a rebuttal but none of the points are strong enough for a full out rebuttal. This in itself shows how the author was successful.
Whether you agree with his opinion or not, he justified everything he said and was very successful at doing so. I've grown up with hip-hop music from 50 Cent, Eminem, Lil Kim, and so on playing on the radio since I can remember. I never really paid much attention to the violence and ridiculous lyrics because you just think the song is catchy and everybody else likes it so you might as well too. As I read this, I became ashamed that someone would even think to make lyrics as profound and awful as that. Ashamed to know that people actually buy that and listen to that.
"Gimme tha keys to tha car, I’m ready for war.
When we ride on these niggas smoke that ass like a ’gar.
Hit your block with a Glock, clear the set with a Tech . . . .
You think I’m jokin, see if you laughing when tha pistol be smokin--
Leave you head split wide open
And you bones get broken. . . ."
These are one of the lyrics McWhorter used in his blog. Take a minute and read those lyrics. Then ask yourself "What is the purpose of that?". McWhorter in my opinion was successful because he made me stop and think. It makes you wonder what does hip-hop do for anyone. Not just blacks, but society itself. "Anyone who sees such behavior as a path to a better future—anyone, like Professor Dyson, who insists that hip-hop is an urgent “critique of a society that produces the need for the thug persona”—should step back and ask himself just where, exactly, the civil rights–era blacks might have gone wrong in lacking a hip-hop revolution.They created the world of equality, striving, and success I live and thrive in. Hip-hop creates nothing."
I think he was successful because of what he is saying is rap music can turn someone. I think it can and people can judge you by the kind of music you listen to. So if you look all gangster and stuff rap music is probably your thing. If you look all country and stuff then youll prob listen to country music. So its all in how you look at it.
I think it could go both ways. Like trust an sai he made good points that supported his opinion but not everybody is gonna agree with his opinion. He has several lyrics from songs to go along with what he is saying which is good to show.
I think he was successful. He just could've been successful in a shorter piece. I guess he had to have all the evidence in there. But I feel like people would decide to just stop reading it.
I think he was successful because he got his point across. Took him a long time to say it and he kept saying it over and over but he got his point across. He thinks that where hip hop has changed over the years it makes people judge people and it creates sterotypes. He named off a bunch of songs and wrote out some of the lyrics and where some people listen to that they start to believe it so then they get this image of black people in their minds. But it's not just all about black people, he thinks hip hop and rap sterotype black people and country music sterotypes rednecks and so on and so on. He wishes that the world wasn't like this today and that kids who listen to that kind of music have to act how it says them people act he wishes that wouldn't be like that.
I feel as thought the author validated his point well. I just don't agree with everything he said. He used lots of examples that supported his statement. My only problem is that most of his examples were his experiences. I wish that there were statistics and charts, factual information. He did a great job at appealing to my emotions, and as far as I know he seems credible. I just would've liked to have seen more information.
I think he did succeed in the writing of this piece. He really put a negative thought on the lyrics that artists create. He used specific lyrics just to show how bad they were. I don't think you can realize how bad they actually are unless you read them because while you're listening it's all just kind of a blur. In my opinion it feels like this is pointed towards younger people to show how bad this can ruin your life.
I wouldn't say that the author was very successful in his argument that hip hop holds blacks back. He gives examples of how kids like to listen to this kind of music, and how the line to sing it. However, he gives no examples that it actually does anything harmful to society. The author gives no examples of how crime rates sky-rocket because of rap music. As far as the kids he saw acting up and being disrespectful, that happened before, and will happen after rap music if it shall ever cease to exist.
I believe the author was very successful. He supported his opinion by using textual evidence from rap songs over the years. These showed how raps have slowly become nothing more than songs about sex, drugs and violence, which in turn, influences young black listeners. The author was also very successful in convincing his readers of his same beliefs because by having certain knowledge on these songs, it shows his credibility (ethos).
I think he was successful. He just could've been successful in a muchhhhhh shorter piece of writing. He must have had a lot of evidence. Some people may have stopped reading because it was so long...
I think that the author supported his points really well. So I agree with will he did support but there are still going to be people that don't agree with him. I think he was successful with his argument because he had good points and backed them up really well.
I believe the author was successful in his argument. even though some of the points he made weren't very clear, he used specific songs from the text to support his argument. he also used ethos, pathos, and logos to further support his argument. he also used specific rap songs to back up his argument. over all, I think the author was successful in making his argument credible.
Yes I think the author was successful in his argument. He related everything to the children today. He used very harsh lines from songs to prove his point. But i do not feel like everyone is going to agree with him
I'd say his argument was well supported, not only with history and lyrics, but from his own experiences and opinions. Overall, it's effective.
About the article, I'm really shocked about P. Diddy though. I honestly though he was a respectable guy. I'm shocked about Tupac also. I had no clue he wrote songs like the one in the article. That article really opened my eyes a lot about rap and hip hop. But I do think that rap and hip hop is really changing for the better now.
I think he did a great job of making his point, however I don't agree. Music might affect people but at the end of the day it comes down to the parents raising their kids right. Singling out a genre of music isn't a new concept though; furthermore, rock and roll was "the devil's music" in the 1950's. There is a fine line between enjoying music and acting like a fool.
I think that the author is very successful in his argument. He builds his argument using ethos, pathos, and logos. He shows examples of all three of these devices. He uses song lyrics to build himself as a credible author. His title uses pathos to stir up your emotions. He his many example of logical reasoning throughout his argument.
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